Grad School
As some people have probably heard or figured out, I'm starting to think about going to graduate school. What for, you may ask, seeing as I will graduate as a double major, both of which I completely love. Well, after much deliberation and thought, I've decided if I do go to graduate school, I'll be off to get a masters in theology. There are a few reasons for this choice: first, there are a few more jobs in theology than philosophy, at least more clear-cut jobs. I know, kindof a surprise to me too. Not that I thought either of them had huge career paths apart from teaching (and youth ministry for theology majors, or being a priest which I'm not eligible for), which I know I don't want to do. That's not the biggest reason. Second, I only need to get a doctorate if I'm going to be teaching, or at least there are more options for people with a masters in theology rather than the Ph.D. If I did philosophy, I'd pretty much immediately need my doctorate. Thirdly, I know I don't want to teach, and if I went into philosophy, I'd feel like that's what I'd end up doing. And I really don't want to. Apart from the lack of desire, or rather the strong desire not to, I'd be a really bad teacher. We're talking bad. I've always wondered how teachers, especially college professors, can be so unbiased and patient. I know, probably not all of them are. But all of mine are. At least it seems like it. I'd probably get so frustrated and just tell people to shut up I know what I'm talking about and they don't. Or that their questions are stupid. I practically want to tell people that half the time anyway, and if I became a teacher I don't know if I'd be able to stop myself. That's ok, teaching isn't really a viable option for me because I have no desire to do it. So, the final and probably most important reason I would go on in theology is that between my theology class and my senior honors project (which, if you forget, is largely theologically based) I really feel like I'm doing real theology, that I'm learning a ton, and it's why I became a theology major in the first place. I've had some bad experiences in the theology program that made me extra glad I was a philosophy major as well (not that I wasn't always glad about that), and that made me almost regret doing theology, but now I'm doing what I wanted to do in the first place. It's really reminded me how much I love theology. Plus, it's narrowed down my focus a little bit too. Eventually I'd love to get doctorates in both theology and philosophy, but right now I think I'll realistically start with a master's in theology. Maybe. If I start with any of them at all.
Now, this seems like I'm completely committed to the idea of going to graduate school after I graduate, which, by the way, is this spring. Yikes. Don't get me started on that. However, I'm not entirely sure I want to go to graduate school right away. I'm not even sure how prepared I am. Heck, I haven't even taken the GRE yet. On the plus side, there's not a theology portion that I would have to take, just the general stuff. Part of me is afraid though, that if I don't go right away I won't go at all, or it will be years before I have a chance to get my masters. And I would love to have it sooner rather than later. But another 3 years in school? I love learning, and as much as I wish I could stay in school for the rest of my life (and believe me I do) I don't know if we can afford it. It's so expensive. On the plus side, as my advisor told me (actually, my philosophy advisor, not theology advisor, ironically) there are some pretty interesting job opportunities in the dioceses for people with their master's in theology. It is a big relief to know that I won't need a doctorate, that a master's will be perfect, for a couple of reasons. One, wow, ton of work. Not that I couldn't do it, and not that I don't want to do it eventually, but I don't know if I could do it now. Or if I want to do it now. Or if it will do me that much good now. Two, there aren't really any doctorate programs in theology in MN, so I'd probably end up in somewhere like Chicago. Not that it wouldn't be super exciting, but I love Minnesota, and Eric will be looking for a job next year, so I don't know if now would be a good time to move, especially out of state. Plus I want to stay close to the family.
So I'm sortof torn. Go to graduate school right away and hope for a job afterwards? Get a job right away and go to grad school later? Get a job now and go to grad school now? (By now I mean right after I graduate) It's a tough decision but I'm going to have to make it soon. For those of you who are wondering, most likely I'd apply to St. Thomas, possibly St. John's. Those have the best areas of study that I'm interested in. Sorry Matt, St. Thomas would be my first choice, due in large part to the fact that it's in the city, I'm in the city, and I don't know if Eric and I really want to move that far away. Plus I'm sortof used to it now. And I love the city. I don't think I could handle the small-townness of St. John's. We'll see what happens though, if I do decide to go to graduate school. Thoughts, advice, whatever, is always welcome.
Catch, you are the best friend a guy with twenty diagnosed neuroses ever had.
Now, this seems like I'm completely committed to the idea of going to graduate school after I graduate, which, by the way, is this spring. Yikes. Don't get me started on that. However, I'm not entirely sure I want to go to graduate school right away. I'm not even sure how prepared I am. Heck, I haven't even taken the GRE yet. On the plus side, there's not a theology portion that I would have to take, just the general stuff. Part of me is afraid though, that if I don't go right away I won't go at all, or it will be years before I have a chance to get my masters. And I would love to have it sooner rather than later. But another 3 years in school? I love learning, and as much as I wish I could stay in school for the rest of my life (and believe me I do) I don't know if we can afford it. It's so expensive. On the plus side, as my advisor told me (actually, my philosophy advisor, not theology advisor, ironically) there are some pretty interesting job opportunities in the dioceses for people with their master's in theology. It is a big relief to know that I won't need a doctorate, that a master's will be perfect, for a couple of reasons. One, wow, ton of work. Not that I couldn't do it, and not that I don't want to do it eventually, but I don't know if I could do it now. Or if I want to do it now. Or if it will do me that much good now. Two, there aren't really any doctorate programs in theology in MN, so I'd probably end up in somewhere like Chicago. Not that it wouldn't be super exciting, but I love Minnesota, and Eric will be looking for a job next year, so I don't know if now would be a good time to move, especially out of state. Plus I want to stay close to the family.
So I'm sortof torn. Go to graduate school right away and hope for a job afterwards? Get a job right away and go to grad school later? Get a job now and go to grad school now? (By now I mean right after I graduate) It's a tough decision but I'm going to have to make it soon. For those of you who are wondering, most likely I'd apply to St. Thomas, possibly St. John's. Those have the best areas of study that I'm interested in. Sorry Matt, St. Thomas would be my first choice, due in large part to the fact that it's in the city, I'm in the city, and I don't know if Eric and I really want to move that far away. Plus I'm sortof used to it now. And I love the city. I don't think I could handle the small-townness of St. John's. We'll see what happens though, if I do decide to go to graduate school. Thoughts, advice, whatever, is always welcome.
Catch, you are the best friend a guy with twenty diagnosed neuroses ever had.


9 Comments:
At 4:43 PM ,
Matthew B. Novak said...
I don't think it's really fair to characterize SJU as a small-town experience. That would be accurate for St. Ben's, but not for St. John's. SJU is much more like a full-time retreat than it is a small-town college. And since you'd actually be getting your masters from SJU and not CSB, you shouldn't let your thoughts on CSB influence you too much on the decision.
I guess all I'm saying is, make sure you give Saint John's a fair shake. After all, we're better than St. Thomas.
At 8:00 PM ,
empeterson said...
Matt, SJU is in a small town. That's what I mean. Most likely I wouldn't be living on campus, I'd be living as close to campus as possible. Which would either be in St. Cloud, or in a very small town. Besides, that's not really the advice I was hoping for.
At 9:54 PM ,
Emily Powell said...
I don't feel like I'm in a small town. Maybe it's partly because I work in St. Cloud, but really. I think it's really nice to be so close to a big town (though it's not like St. Paul) but still not be in it 24/7.
If you didn't live on campus, you'd probably be in St. Joe. Which really isn't a bad place.
But yeah, I'll agree with Matt. Don't knock SJU.
(sorry this comment is so incoherent).
At 11:00 PM ,
Matthew B. Novak said...
Sorry the advice wasn't more helpful. I'll put something more constructive up in a day or two. But SJU isn't really in a town at all, that was kind of my point. St. Ben's is in a town. St. John's is not. It just is the campus, and there's no town to speak of.
And though you can't really picture living on campus right now, you might actually want to at SJU. If I recall correctly, they've got some quality arrangements for their grad students, and some particularly aimed at couples and families. So I guess what I'm trying to say is shed all of your preconcieved notions about SJU. That being said, I realize it might not be for you, and that's totally cool if it's not. I don't want to pressure you into going there or anything (and I realize that realistically my pressuring you wouldn't have any effect anyway).
Also, Emily Powell, have you taken Scott yet? Are you taking him next semester? Have you at least buzzed by his office and asked him to impart some wisdom or "play" his hands (he does this weird musical thing with them...)?
At 6:36 AM ,
empeterson said...
I wasn't ever knocking SJU or CSB. Heck, I almost went there, are we forgetting that people? It's like, just because I married a Tommy I hate St. John's. Not true. And Matt, again, almost going to St. Ben's, I know about both colleges a little. Like the fact that SJU basically is it's own town. But the grad student living situations I did not. So thanks. That might actually help.
At 12:31 PM ,
Emily Powell said...
http://www.csbsju.edu/sot/resources/default.htm
If you scroll down a ways it talks about graduate housing.
In any case, good luck with the grad school looking and applying and all that. I'm trying to decide if I actually want to go through with it all or not.
And no, Matt, I haven't been able to take Scott. I just have no time. I haven't actually met him either, but maybe I'll get a chance to.
At 9:25 PM ,
Matthew B. Novak said...
The one substantive comment that comes to mind is that while your theology stuff is really cool (your thesis project is awesome!) I don't think you should forget about philosophy so quickly. The reason is that I'm actually seeing a lot of jobs in ethics lately, particularly in the health care field. There's a ton of work to be done there and philosophy is exactly what they're looking for. You should look into some ethics positions if that interests you at all.
At 4:36 PM ,
Unknown said...
move to chicago. you have family out here. and you would love it so much! its great
At 6:06 AM ,
Deetz said...
you COULD be a priest! it would be an Episcopal priest though-not Catholic.
Masters in Theology sounds good though-SJU rocks-it's so beautiful! BUT-if Eric got a job at st. thomas, you could get close to free tuition, right? SJU as well!
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